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		<title>Comment on About by Jesa</title>
		<link>http://loreleiblack.wordpress.com/about/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come back! We need you!</description>
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		<title>Comment on YES I WILL SPEAK TO YOU LIKE I AM YOUR FUCKING MOTHER. by Kat</title>
		<link>http://loreleiblack.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/yes-i-will-speak-to-you-like-i-am-your-fucking-mother/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is powerful. Thank you for posting it.</description>
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		<title>Comment on YES I WILL SPEAK TO YOU LIKE I AM YOUR FUCKING MOTHER. by a little more rage - Kitties Attack!</title>
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		<dc:creator>a little more rage - Kitties Attack!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nov.09, 2008, under uncategorized I know there is very little traffic here but I just feel better linking to this because there needs to be way more outrage at these stupid racist assholes and less blaming the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nov.09, 2008, under uncategorized I know there is very little traffic here but I just feel better linking to this because there needs to be way more outrage at these stupid racist assholes and less blaming the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on YES I WILL SPEAK TO YOU LIKE I AM YOUR FUCKING MOTHER. by uppitybrownwoman</title>
		<link>http://loreleiblack.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/yes-i-will-speak-to-you-like-i-am-your-fucking-mother/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>uppitybrownwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Righteous. fucking. rage.</description>
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		<title>Comment on YES I WILL SPEAK TO YOU LIKE I AM YOUR FUCKING MOTHER. by Link: bullshit around Prop 8 &#171; Uppity Brown Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link: bullshit around Prop 8 &#171; Uppity Brown Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lorelei summed up what I&#8217;ve felt, very appropriately:  and you can lay the blame RIGHT ON YOUR DAMN SELVES because had you not been sitting on your asses going ‘WAH WAH WAH BLACK PEOPLE PASSED PROP 8′ and spreading these LIES and MISINFORMATION, THIS RACIST FUCKING BULLSHIT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lorelei summed up what I&#8217;ve felt, very appropriately:  and you can lay the blame RIGHT ON YOUR DAMN SELVES because had you not been sitting on your asses going ‘WAH WAH WAH BLACK PEOPLE PASSED PROP 8′ and spreading these LIES and MISINFORMATION, THIS RACIST FUCKING BULLSHIT WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on BECAUSE YOU NEVER FUCKING KNOW, DO YOU? by olives</title>
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		<dc:creator>olives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello there, Thank you for your post and sharing your story.  I&#039;m sorry for what happened.  Honestly if you feel inclined to tell his mother I think you should.   there is a possibility that you could prevent him from doing what he did to you to another women.  Not to say it&#039;s your social obligation though, because it&#039;s definitely not.  and his anger towards women is unhealthy for both him and those that might encounter his surroundings.  he obviously needs help, as all men who treat women like shit need therapeutic help.  but that is no excuse for his actions.  Reading your post made me sick to my stomach.  and again I&#039;m sorry for your experience, but you can never go wrong with the truth. Best of luck to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello there, Thank you for your post and sharing your story.  I&#8217;m sorry for what happened.  Honestly if you feel inclined to tell his mother I think you should.   there is a possibility that you could prevent him from doing what he did to you to another women.  Not to say it&#8217;s your social obligation though, because it&#8217;s definitely not.  and his anger towards women is unhealthy for both him and those that might encounter his surroundings.  he obviously needs help, as all men who treat women like shit need therapeutic help.  but that is no excuse for his actions.  Reading your post made me sick to my stomach.  and again I&#8217;m sorry for your experience, but you can never go wrong with the truth. Best of luck to you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on EATING DISORDERS: IT&#8217;S ALL ABOUT THE MEN. by Lola Snow</title>
		<link>http://loreleiblack.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/eating-disorders-its-all-about-the-men/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Lola Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who say that it&#039;s all about men, are the same pillocks who say things like
&quot;Oh there are starving people in Africa, you are sooo selfish&quot;

I don&#039;t mind people having an opinion, but if they are going to speak out loud, I wish for God&#039;s sake that they would be informed. It gets boring having to constantly correct them. I&#039;m debating getting a few stock answers printed on flyers and just handing them a copy, or rolling it up and poking somewhere unmentionable!!!

Lola x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who say that it&#8217;s all about men, are the same pillocks who say things like<br />
&#8220;Oh there are starving people in Africa, you are sooo selfish&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind people having an opinion, but if they are going to speak out loud, I wish for God&#8217;s sake that they would be informed. It gets boring having to constantly correct them. I&#8217;m debating getting a few stock answers printed on flyers and just handing them a copy, or rolling it up and poking somewhere unmentionable!!!</p>
<p>Lola x</p>
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		<title>Comment on BECAUSE YOU NEVER FUCKING KNOW, DO YOU? by debicrow</title>
		<link>http://loreleiblack.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/because-you-never-fucking-know-do-you/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>debicrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, this is a great post and I&#039;m really sorry you have to put up with that behaviour from him.  I don&#039;t doubt he was raised as a feminist by his mother, but it doesn&#039;t seem like his father was of the same mindset - not that that excuses him in anyway.  To address your points/questions:

&quot;sometimes, no matter how hard you try, your child will still turn out to be an absolute nightmare on legs. a feminist upbringing does not preclude your child from becoming an abuser or a rapist or a misogynist or ANYTHING. i would know. and this man absolutely hated women.&quot;

I agree completely, and ultimately every human has to be responsible for their own actions, regardless of how they were raised, and by whom etc  That does not mean that we give up trying to raise children with feminist sensibilities, but that there is no guarantee of it working.  Children, especially in their early years, learn everything they know about human interactions from watching the adults around them.  So, if the adults are not respecting each other, for example, the child learns that the way to communicate with others is with disrespect.  Again, that doesn&#039;t excuse anything a child may do later in life, but it may explain it.  If this person saw his father being abusive towards his mother, he would have learned that is just how men act towards women - that is how you do it.  Now, a lot of children see their fathers being abusive to their mothers, and don&#039;t grow up to be women abusers themselves, because whatever other socialisation the child receives, from other relatives, other children, teachers etc teaches them that what they saw at home was wrong.  Anyway, you&#039;re right, there are no guarantees that attempting to raise a child in a certain way will result in the kind of adult you would like to call your offspring.  And so to your question:

&quot;if you were a mother, would you really, REALLY want to know that your child was a rapist from someone other than the police? would you even believe someone if they told you that?&quot;

If someone came to me and said that my son had raped them, I would believe them.  I would be devastated, and beside myself with worry, and I probably wouldn&#039;t know what to do about it, but I would believe them.  I would talk to them, and listen to them, and believe them.  I would most likely confront my son about it too.  Apart from that, I have no idea what I would or wouldn&#039;t do, and I hope I never have to find out.

I think, if you really want to tell his mother, even though there&#039;s nothing that can be done now, perhaps you should.  You may not be the first, and you may not be the last.  She might be understanding about it.  I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m just waffling really - but thanks for this post, and I&#039;m sorry (again) that you have this in your life to put up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, this is a great post and I&#8217;m really sorry you have to put up with that behaviour from him.  I don&#8217;t doubt he was raised as a feminist by his mother, but it doesn&#8217;t seem like his father was of the same mindset &#8211; not that that excuses him in anyway.  To address your points/questions:</p>
<p>&#8220;sometimes, no matter how hard you try, your child will still turn out to be an absolute nightmare on legs. a feminist upbringing does not preclude your child from becoming an abuser or a rapist or a misogynist or ANYTHING. i would know. and this man absolutely hated women.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree completely, and ultimately every human has to be responsible for their own actions, regardless of how they were raised, and by whom etc  That does not mean that we give up trying to raise children with feminist sensibilities, but that there is no guarantee of it working.  Children, especially in their early years, learn everything they know about human interactions from watching the adults around them.  So, if the adults are not respecting each other, for example, the child learns that the way to communicate with others is with disrespect.  Again, that doesn&#8217;t excuse anything a child may do later in life, but it may explain it.  If this person saw his father being abusive towards his mother, he would have learned that is just how men act towards women &#8211; that is how you do it.  Now, a lot of children see their fathers being abusive to their mothers, and don&#8217;t grow up to be women abusers themselves, because whatever other socialisation the child receives, from other relatives, other children, teachers etc teaches them that what they saw at home was wrong.  Anyway, you&#8217;re right, there are no guarantees that attempting to raise a child in a certain way will result in the kind of adult you would like to call your offspring.  And so to your question:</p>
<p>&#8220;if you were a mother, would you really, REALLY want to know that your child was a rapist from someone other than the police? would you even believe someone if they told you that?&#8221;</p>
<p>If someone came to me and said that my son had raped them, I would believe them.  I would be devastated, and beside myself with worry, and I probably wouldn&#8217;t know what to do about it, but I would believe them.  I would talk to them, and listen to them, and believe them.  I would most likely confront my son about it too.  Apart from that, I have no idea what I would or wouldn&#8217;t do, and I hope I never have to find out.</p>
<p>I think, if you really want to tell his mother, even though there&#8217;s nothing that can be done now, perhaps you should.  You may not be the first, and you may not be the last.  She might be understanding about it.  I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m just waffling really &#8211; but thanks for this post, and I&#8217;m sorry (again) that you have this in your life to put up with.</p>
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		<title>Comment on BECAUSE KYLE PAYNE DESERVES FUCK ALL. by Lisa Harney</title>
		<link>http://loreleiblack.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/kyle-payne/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Harney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorelei, I gave you a &lt;a href=&quot;http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/reward-un-derailed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;certified honest blogger&lt;/a&gt; award.

Because of this post, specifically. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorelei, I gave you a <a href="http://questioningtransphobia.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/reward-un-derailed/" rel="nofollow">certified honest blogger</a> award.</p>
<p>Because of this post, specifically. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on BECAUSE KYLE PAYNE DESERVES FUCK ALL. by Reward Un-Derailed &#171; Questioning Transphobia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reward Un-Derailed &#171; Questioning Transphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also want to mention The Classiest Lady You Know for her takedown of Kyle Payne: If we’ve forgotten, Kyle Payne was the radical feminist activist who decided that it would be [...]</description>
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